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	<title>Comments on: Anger Towards the Anti-Vaccine &amp; Informed Consent Movements</title>
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		<title>By: amy wallace</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12048</link>
		<dc:creator>amy wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who have never had a negative experience can balk all they want but you can&#039;t argue w/ experience!!  i have 4 children on the spectrum.. the older 2 are worse because of vacc. them. the younger 2 are far better.  we use therapeutic grad essential oils from Young Living and we NEVER have any issues.  America needs to wake up!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who have never had a negative experience can balk all they want but you can&#8217;t argue w/ experience!!  i have 4 children on the spectrum.. the older 2 are worse because of vacc. them. the younger 2 are far better.  we use therapeutic grad essential oils from Young Living and we NEVER have any issues.  America needs to wake up!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karina</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12047</link>
		<dc:creator>Karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sherrie. I have checked that website, and there is only one doctor in the whole of NYC listed there and kind of far from us. ): But thanks for thinking of us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sherrie. I have checked that website, and there is only one doctor in the whole of NYC listed there and kind of far from us. ): But thanks for thinking of us</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrie</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12046</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karina,

 i don&#039;t know if it lists any in your area but i went on to the dr.sears site and on one of the pages where it talked about vaccines it listed vaccine friendly pediatricians that&#039;s how i found mine. Also you could try contacting a local childrens chiropractor or midwife and see if they have any reccomendations (if they are able to)

good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karina,</p>
<p> i don&#8217;t know if it lists any in your area but i went on to the dr.sears site and on one of the pages where it talked about vaccines it listed vaccine friendly pediatricians that&#8217;s how i found mine. Also you could try contacting a local childrens chiropractor or midwife and see if they have any reccomendations (if they are able to)</p>
<p>good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Karina</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12045</link>
		<dc:creator>Karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, great discussion. I am also one of those parents who has done a lot of research into vaccines and has chosen to delay them until my son is older (I do breastfeed him still and he is now 16 months old) and also not to do ones that I consider unnecessary (such as chicken pox, flu). We have just moved to Park Slope, Brooklyn and I am looking for some recommendation on a doctor who would be ok with an alternative vaccination schedule. If any of the non-vaccinating parents who posted here are from Brooklyn, I would very much love to hear your recommendations. Such info is hard to come by, because I do not usually share my vaccination choices with people I meet (for obvious reasons, as proved by this discussion). Thanks in advance. I will come back and check the comments. Also, just a note on the initial post and the show that it discussed, I just checked the American Academy of Pediatrics 2007 schedule (as per Sears&#039; book and MMR vaccine does not come recommended before a year of age anyways, so anybody&#039;s 11 months old baby is unprotected!!!! So what was this show all about?????)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, great discussion. I am also one of those parents who has done a lot of research into vaccines and has chosen to delay them until my son is older (I do breastfeed him still and he is now 16 months old) and also not to do ones that I consider unnecessary (such as chicken pox, flu). We have just moved to Park Slope, Brooklyn and I am looking for some recommendation on a doctor who would be ok with an alternative vaccination schedule. If any of the non-vaccinating parents who posted here are from Brooklyn, I would very much love to hear your recommendations. Such info is hard to come by, because I do not usually share my vaccination choices with people I meet (for obvious reasons, as proved by this discussion). Thanks in advance. I will come back and check the comments. Also, just a note on the initial post and the show that it discussed, I just checked the American Academy of Pediatrics 2007 schedule (as per Sears&#8217; book and MMR vaccine does not come recommended before a year of age anyways, so anybody&#8217;s 11 months old baby is unprotected!!!! So what was this show all about?????)</p>
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		<title>By: Tsoniki Crazy Bull</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12044</link>
		<dc:creator>Tsoniki Crazy Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t consider myself very well educated in the vaccine area - both of my kids had vaccinations when they were babies but didn&#039;t get their boosters or whatever they are called when they got older. Now I am putting them in public school this coming fall and have been told their shots need to be current. I feel like vaccine problems occur when given to babies - that&#039;s just me, I am going to do research on this soon (before any dr appt).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself very well educated in the vaccine area &#8211; both of my kids had vaccinations when they were babies but didn&#8217;t get their boosters or whatever they are called when they got older. Now I am putting them in public school this coming fall and have been told their shots need to be current. I feel like vaccine problems occur when given to babies &#8211; that&#8217;s just me, I am going to do research on this soon (before any dr appt).</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12043</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU Ashley !!! I&#039;m so glad you posted this - because i&#039;m reading comments above thinking and feeling puzzled about that statement... like well why ?? AHHH you speak my mind girl !! Glad you posted it here. Take Care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU Ashley !!! I&#8217;m so glad you posted this &#8211; because i&#8217;m reading comments above thinking and feeling puzzled about that statement&#8230; like well why ?? AHHH you speak my mind girl !! Glad you posted it here. Take Care!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12042</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elley - greetings my fellow PA resident:) I live in Southeastern PA and while pregnant did a lot of reading and research about vaccines. My son is now 12 months old and i have decided to do Dr. Sears Selective Vaccine Schedule (listed in his book, The Vaccine Book) which gives my son what Dr. Sears viewed as the most critical vaccines. Later, when its time for him to enter kindergarden, we may decide to do a couple more vaccines that aren&#039;t listed on the selective list but maybe not. I just have to go with my gut, and who knows what the status of things will be regarding this issue by the time my son is at that point (in 4 years).

Before reading the book, i was against ALL vaccines. My husband, before reading the book, WANTED all vaccines. The selective schedule is our compromise. If i was a stay at home mom, i would have really pushed to do none or at least postpone longer on the few we will do but i&#039;m not a stay at home mom. So at 12 months the only shots he&#039;s received thus far are DTAP, HIB, Pc, and Rotavirus. He&#039;s handled them fairly well (at least in reference to short term side effects). Long Term side effects are much harder (if almost impossible) to accurately document - which to me, is a big concern. Example - if my son later develops psorasis (a skin condition), how difficult could that be to pinpoint back to a vaccine he got a few years ago? next to impossible... and no, i&#039;m not saying all psorasis is linked to vaccines just an example... anyway - moving on:)

About living in PA - we have two excepts. Medical and Religious. With our doctors office, from day one i told them we were setting our own vaccine schedule and i gave them a copy (for our sons chart) of the selective vaccine schedule. and said that when our son was around age 4 1/2 we would revisit some of the other vaccines, and make a final decision then. So i still go there for well baby visits, illnesses that pop up, etc... its obvious they don&#039;t like that we aren&#039;t doing the norm and just going with the usual schedule but - hey, its not their kid and i know they have to give me their little speech about the importance of it, etc. but i nod, and say no thanks. the more educated you are about the issue, the easier it will be to stand your ground and say No Thanks. If i hadn&#039;t done all the research and reading i&#039;ve done, i would have been questioning myself while at the appointments and may have given in - who knows!

I think the biggest thing was - i had that schedule printed up from the book so i knew what he needed and when. i imagine if you go in and tell them you want to change the vaccine schedule or delay or whatnot, but don&#039;t know how, they will just start a big speech trying to talk you into the norm! but if you have what you want down printed on paper for his chart and tell them this is what you&#039;re doing - then so be it!

So, i say go on to your baby&#039;s checkup at the dr. Firmly state that you&#039;ve decided to make some changes to how you will vaccinate your children. and then tell them what you want. Worst case senario - they won&#039;t treat your children anymore and you go find a new flexible doctor who will. From my experience, and from what my friends have experienced, many doctors won&#039;t agree with what you&#039;re doing and will let you know why - but they respect your wishes and continue to provide you medical services.  No one is going to &quot;come after&quot; you at all ! you will probably be questioned about it but thats to be expected...

Best of Luck !!! I hope you now have the courage you need to go with your gut, whatever that may be telling you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elley &#8211; greetings my fellow PA resident:) I live in Southeastern PA and while pregnant did a lot of reading and research about vaccines. My son is now 12 months old and i have decided to do Dr. Sears Selective Vaccine Schedule (listed in his book, The Vaccine Book) which gives my son what Dr. Sears viewed as the most critical vaccines. Later, when its time for him to enter kindergarden, we may decide to do a couple more vaccines that aren&#8217;t listed on the selective list but maybe not. I just have to go with my gut, and who knows what the status of things will be regarding this issue by the time my son is at that point (in 4 years).</p>
<p>Before reading the book, i was against ALL vaccines. My husband, before reading the book, WANTED all vaccines. The selective schedule is our compromise. If i was a stay at home mom, i would have really pushed to do none or at least postpone longer on the few we will do but i&#8217;m not a stay at home mom. So at 12 months the only shots he&#8217;s received thus far are DTAP, HIB, Pc, and Rotavirus. He&#8217;s handled them fairly well (at least in reference to short term side effects). Long Term side effects are much harder (if almost impossible) to accurately document &#8211; which to me, is a big concern. Example &#8211; if my son later develops psorasis (a skin condition), how difficult could that be to pinpoint back to a vaccine he got a few years ago? next to impossible&#8230; and no, i&#8217;m not saying all psorasis is linked to vaccines just an example&#8230; anyway &#8211; moving on:)</p>
<p>About living in PA &#8211; we have two excepts. Medical and Religious. With our doctors office, from day one i told them we were setting our own vaccine schedule and i gave them a copy (for our sons chart) of the selective vaccine schedule. and said that when our son was around age 4 1/2 we would revisit some of the other vaccines, and make a final decision then. So i still go there for well baby visits, illnesses that pop up, etc&#8230; its obvious they don&#8217;t like that we aren&#8217;t doing the norm and just going with the usual schedule but &#8211; hey, its not their kid and i know they have to give me their little speech about the importance of it, etc. but i nod, and say no thanks. the more educated you are about the issue, the easier it will be to stand your ground and say No Thanks. If i hadn&#8217;t done all the research and reading i&#8217;ve done, i would have been questioning myself while at the appointments and may have given in &#8211; who knows!</p>
<p>I think the biggest thing was &#8211; i had that schedule printed up from the book so i knew what he needed and when. i imagine if you go in and tell them you want to change the vaccine schedule or delay or whatnot, but don&#8217;t know how, they will just start a big speech trying to talk you into the norm! but if you have what you want down printed on paper for his chart and tell them this is what you&#8217;re doing &#8211; then so be it!</p>
<p>So, i say go on to your baby&#8217;s checkup at the dr. Firmly state that you&#8217;ve decided to make some changes to how you will vaccinate your children. and then tell them what you want. Worst case senario &#8211; they won&#8217;t treat your children anymore and you go find a new flexible doctor who will. From my experience, and from what my friends have experienced, many doctors won&#8217;t agree with what you&#8217;re doing and will let you know why &#8211; but they respect your wishes and continue to provide you medical services.  No one is going to &#8220;come after&#8221; you at all ! you will probably be questioned about it but thats to be expected&#8230;</p>
<p>Best of Luck !!! I hope you now have the courage you need to go with your gut, whatever that may be telling you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12041</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FBRP, no vaccine is safe for people. Our government knows this and admits it. They require companies to disclose warnings of seizures and death but of course parents never see the vaccine packaging so it does us no good. They have a treasury set up just to pay off victims who get hurt following their public mandates. I submit that YOU and no other member of society has a right to require that I offer up my child as a sacrifice on the alter of public good. There ARE risks therefore it is NEVER for you to decide for me if I accept vaccination. Anything else would be a totalitarian society... a dictatorship. YOU are responsible for your children and I am responsible for mine. Neither of us can rely on the other to do what is OUR job. You need to stay out of my business and I need to stay out of yours. That is how a free society works...unless you like the Nazi idea of domination.

Also the idea that a doctor knows everything medical is nuts. A regular mechanic would never touch a hybrid car. Why? It isn&#039;t their specialty and they have no idea what they are dealing with. You need a certified hybrid mechanic if you have a hybrid. I have never once met a vaccine doctor. I have certainly never spoken to one. A pediatrician who has 1-2 weeks training with vaccines does not make them an expert on vaccines. I have met pediatricians and other doctors who claimed to have almost NO knowledge of vaccines beyond administration techniques. I think that is more common than not. I liken talking to them about this issue to taking my hybrid to a regular mechanic. It would not be wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FBRP, no vaccine is safe for people. Our government knows this and admits it. They require companies to disclose warnings of seizures and death but of course parents never see the vaccine packaging so it does us no good. They have a treasury set up just to pay off victims who get hurt following their public mandates. I submit that YOU and no other member of society has a right to require that I offer up my child as a sacrifice on the alter of public good. There ARE risks therefore it is NEVER for you to decide for me if I accept vaccination. Anything else would be a totalitarian society&#8230; a dictatorship. YOU are responsible for your children and I am responsible for mine. Neither of us can rely on the other to do what is OUR job. You need to stay out of my business and I need to stay out of yours. That is how a free society works&#8230;unless you like the Nazi idea of domination.</p>
<p>Also the idea that a doctor knows everything medical is nuts. A regular mechanic would never touch a hybrid car. Why? It isn&#8217;t their specialty and they have no idea what they are dealing with. You need a certified hybrid mechanic if you have a hybrid. I have never once met a vaccine doctor. I have certainly never spoken to one. A pediatrician who has 1-2 weeks training with vaccines does not make them an expert on vaccines. I have met pediatricians and other doctors who claimed to have almost NO knowledge of vaccines beyond administration techniques. I think that is more common than not. I liken talking to them about this issue to taking my hybrid to a regular mechanic. It would not be wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12040</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a problem with the people that keep saying they won&#039;t let their vaccinated kids around unvaccinated ones because their vaccinated kids might get sick from them. I thought that the whole purpose of getting vaccinated was to keep from getting the disease you are vaccinating for. So, if my child is vaccinated from say chicken pox then, my child should not get chicken pox from an unvaccinated child. I mean that&#039;s the whole reason you get the vaccination for your child. So, why would you need to separate your child from an unvaccinated one? If your theory on vaccines is correct, then you are getting your child vaccinated to keep your child from getting illnesses. So, unless you really don&#039;t believe that the vaccines protect your child, it shouldn&#039;t be a problem for them to play with an unvaccinated kid. Unless you doubt the vaccines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a problem with the people that keep saying they won&#8217;t let their vaccinated kids around unvaccinated ones because their vaccinated kids might get sick from them. I thought that the whole purpose of getting vaccinated was to keep from getting the disease you are vaccinating for. So, if my child is vaccinated from say chicken pox then, my child should not get chicken pox from an unvaccinated child. I mean that&#8217;s the whole reason you get the vaccination for your child. So, why would you need to separate your child from an unvaccinated one? If your theory on vaccines is correct, then you are getting your child vaccinated to keep your child from getting illnesses. So, unless you really don&#8217;t believe that the vaccines protect your child, it shouldn&#8217;t be a problem for them to play with an unvaccinated kid. Unless you doubt the vaccines.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrie</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12039</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was gonna ask the same question!!! seriously if u vaccinated should that take your wory away i mean it is suupose to protect uand give immunity so it shouldnt concern u if someone decides not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was gonna ask the same question!!! seriously if u vaccinated should that take your wory away i mean it is suupose to protect uand give immunity so it shouldnt concern u if someone decides not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12038</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FBRP your response is the nonsensical one. No one here is saying that autism may or may not be due to say... allergens released by common vacuum cleaning practices. If I were to avoid vacuum cleaners because I suspected them of causing autism then that would be running away from everything we think MAY OR MIGHT be harmful.

The fact is thjat THOUSANDS of parents have been eyewitnesses to an autism regression that occurrred directly after a vaccination. They aren&#039;t pulling a culprit out of thin air here and if they were...how likely is it that so many would ALL conclude vaccines harmed their children. Doctors cannot disprove their accounts...they can only say they think it must be some other common denominator and they can&#039;t tell us what that is.

Here is what science tells us: 14 studies have been done that supposedly offer evidence that autism is not caused by vaccines. Only one vaccine of MANY -- the MMR -- has ever been studied for its relationship to autism. None of those studies compare vaccinated children to unvaccinated children. The scientists performing the research are paid for or are on the boards of the vaccine manufacting companies...can you say conflict of interest??? And all 14 studies have NOT proven that autism ins&#039;t caused by vaccines...they only PROVE that they don&#039;t know what does.

http://fourteenstudies.org/index.html

THIS is the science that I should rely to tell me my child will be safe???? Not in this lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FBRP your response is the nonsensical one. No one here is saying that autism may or may not be due to say&#8230; allergens released by common vacuum cleaning practices. If I were to avoid vacuum cleaners because I suspected them of causing autism then that would be running away from everything we think MAY OR MIGHT be harmful.</p>
<p>The fact is thjat THOUSANDS of parents have been eyewitnesses to an autism regression that occurrred directly after a vaccination. They aren&#8217;t pulling a culprit out of thin air here and if they were&#8230;how likely is it that so many would ALL conclude vaccines harmed their children. Doctors cannot disprove their accounts&#8230;they can only say they think it must be some other common denominator and they can&#8217;t tell us what that is.</p>
<p>Here is what science tells us: 14 studies have been done that supposedly offer evidence that autism is not caused by vaccines. Only one vaccine of MANY &#8212; the MMR &#8212; has ever been studied for its relationship to autism. None of those studies compare vaccinated children to unvaccinated children. The scientists performing the research are paid for or are on the boards of the vaccine manufacting companies&#8230;can you say conflict of interest??? And all 14 studies have NOT proven that autism ins&#8217;t caused by vaccines&#8230;they only PROVE that they don&#8217;t know what does.</p>
<p><a href="http://fourteenstudies.org/index.html" >http://fourteenstudies.org/index.html</a></p>
<p>THIS is the science that I should rely to tell me my child will be safe???? Not in this lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: FBRP</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12037</link>
		<dc:creator>FBRP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, your &quot;research&quot; concluded that there is no proof either way?  what?  Why even post that?  And, what &quot;research&quot; did you do?  looking up sites on the internet?  I understand your educated, as am I, I went to college too.  But that makes no sense, your just skewing your statements to agree with your point.  Thats not research, thats an opinion.

you said&quot; There isn’t any concrete proof that vaccines cause autism but there isn’t any concrete proof that it doesn’t either. &quot;

I say: Ok....Your point?

Lets just run away from everything we think MAY OR MIGHT be harmful.  How do you think progress in medicine happens?  Until we know, you cant say either way.  Maybe I am wrong, and maybe they will determine that those vaccines have a cause of Autism.  But they also thought the World was Flat....so, maybe just wait till you have actual evidence...maybe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, your &#8220;research&#8221; concluded that there is no proof either way?  what?  Why even post that?  And, what &#8220;research&#8221; did you do?  looking up sites on the internet?  I understand your educated, as am I, I went to college too.  But that makes no sense, your just skewing your statements to agree with your point.  Thats not research, thats an opinion.</p>
<p>you said&#8221; There isn’t any concrete proof that vaccines cause autism but there isn’t any concrete proof that it doesn’t either. &#8221;</p>
<p>I say: Ok&#8230;.Your point?</p>
<p>Lets just run away from everything we think MAY OR MIGHT be harmful.  How do you think progress in medicine happens?  Until we know, you cant say either way.  Maybe I am wrong, and maybe they will determine that those vaccines have a cause of Autism.  But they also thought the World was Flat&#8230;.so, maybe just wait till you have actual evidence&#8230;maybe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FBRP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FBRP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your point about it being YOUR choice to vaccinate your kids.  But if you send them into public, ANY PUBLIC SETTING, you are endangering the lives of kids who do have their vaccines.  You dont have to,  but you dont get the benefits of society as well.  You cant have everything you want.  I do not want my kids are kids that have not been vaccinated for SIMPLE DISEASES.  Our culture, yes, you live in it too, deems that these are necessary.  So, do what you want, its a free land, but dont expect me to feel sympathetic towards you for letting your kids not get near my kids.  My children shouldnt have to suffer because you are against medicine.  And to the people who say the are smarter than doctors and dont trust them, how long did you go to school for that?  oh wait, you didnt.  So, doctors dont second guess mechanics.  Why do you second guess them?  You would trust a doctor if you child was in a car accident, wouldnt you?  Just seems ridiculous that you want medicine when you want it, but not when THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN DEEMS IT APPROPRIATE.  Just seems silly to harm other children because of your beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point about it being YOUR choice to vaccinate your kids.  But if you send them into public, ANY PUBLIC SETTING, you are endangering the lives of kids who do have their vaccines.  You dont have to,  but you dont get the benefits of society as well.  You cant have everything you want.  I do not want my kids are kids that have not been vaccinated for SIMPLE DISEASES.  Our culture, yes, you live in it too, deems that these are necessary.  So, do what you want, its a free land, but dont expect me to feel sympathetic towards you for letting your kids not get near my kids.  My children shouldnt have to suffer because you are against medicine.  And to the people who say the are smarter than doctors and dont trust them, how long did you go to school for that?  oh wait, you didnt.  So, doctors dont second guess mechanics.  Why do you second guess them?  You would trust a doctor if you child was in a car accident, wouldnt you?  Just seems ridiculous that you want medicine when you want it, but not when THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN DEEMS IT APPROPRIATE.  Just seems silly to harm other children because of your beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12035</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found your blog and I love it!  I flipped through and seen this post on vaccinations and had to read it.  I agree with your statements.  I for one did not vaccinate my youngest for the chicken pox.  I&#039;m a college educated women, I research everything, I&#039;m no fool.  I&#039;ve noticed the more educated are the ones refusing to vaccinate and not the other way around.  The uneducated are the ones listening to the bull crap that the system feeds us on a daily basis.  I have a friend whose son has autism, I&#039;ve also done research on this.  There isn&#039;t any concrete proof that vaccines cause autism but there isn&#039;t any concrete proof that it doesn&#039;t either.  There is evidence that MMR and Vericella being given together can cause serious health problems (Autism is questioned in this studied).

In our state we have a choice.  My kids are in public school and we need waivers for those who don&#039;t have vaccinations.

I appreciate you pointing out how pathetic the media can be when trying to convey a message.  I avoid television for this very reason.  Keep up the great posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found your blog and I love it!  I flipped through and seen this post on vaccinations and had to read it.  I agree with your statements.  I for one did not vaccinate my youngest for the chicken pox.  I&#8217;m a college educated women, I research everything, I&#8217;m no fool.  I&#8217;ve noticed the more educated are the ones refusing to vaccinate and not the other way around.  The uneducated are the ones listening to the bull crap that the system feeds us on a daily basis.  I have a friend whose son has autism, I&#8217;ve also done research on this.  There isn&#8217;t any concrete proof that vaccines cause autism but there isn&#8217;t any concrete proof that it doesn&#8217;t either.  There is evidence that MMR and Vericella being given together can cause serious health problems (Autism is questioned in this studied).</p>
<p>In our state we have a choice.  My kids are in public school and we need waivers for those who don&#8217;t have vaccinations.</p>
<p>I appreciate you pointing out how pathetic the media can be when trying to convey a message.  I avoid television for this very reason.  Keep up the great posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12034</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also heard about this show, but I didn&#039;t watch it myself. My mother said it has aired several times. How crazy. Total brainwashing. Vaccines are not good. They are twisting things and making people who don&#039;t vaccinate look like idiots, but yet they kill thousands with their vaccines that are not even proven to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also heard about this show, but I didn&#8217;t watch it myself. My mother said it has aired several times. How crazy. Total brainwashing. Vaccines are not good. They are twisting things and making people who don&#8217;t vaccinate look like idiots, but yet they kill thousands with their vaccines that are not even proven to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrie</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12033</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 04:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firs of all in respone to Momma your observation &quot;the kids that are breastfed/not vaccinated or delayed vaccinated tend to be healthier than the others. Like I said, that is just my own observation but its something to think about!&quot; is very true atleast from what i have read and researched kids who are breastfed to tend to be healthier becuase their bodies have been given the stuff that is made for them, formula as hard as it tries will never be the same as breastmilk and our bodies are not made to take it in therefor it leaves on several levels deffensless against illness with which we could fight off if we had the antibodies in breastmilk.

Second i am with you all my husband and i have choosen not to vaccinate we have done our research like most non vaccinating parents and we just don&#039;t see why we would should or would expose our child to the very common side effects such as siezures  (which are often brought on by the common fever which most parents think is just a part of vaccinating when in reality means that they baby is trying to fight the vaccine instead of absorb and utilize it). i agree that some of the vaccinations do make sense and eventually my son will get vaccinated for some things but not with out much thought and a well developed immune system. in the meantime he will get breastmilk to keep him healthy.

and thirdly i want to reiterate what Tiffany said and that is that most nonvacinating parents are more educated than the vaccinating ones and i believe that is becuase the ones that choose to vaccinate are the ones who are just going along with society and doing as what everyone else is doing, its a lot harder to go against the grain and not vacinate and those parents have to be equipped with the knowledge in order to explain their side. So props to those of you who made an educated decision either way. whatever you choose be knowledgable about it. i am sure non of you picked your spose out of a hat or started a career without some knowledge of the job. and i am sure that non of you had a kid without some planning of their name, their room, their future, your birth, so why not do the research on their health to and make the best decision for your child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firs of all in respone to Momma your observation &#8220;the kids that are breastfed/not vaccinated or delayed vaccinated tend to be healthier than the others. Like I said, that is just my own observation but its something to think about!&#8221; is very true atleast from what i have read and researched kids who are breastfed to tend to be healthier becuase their bodies have been given the stuff that is made for them, formula as hard as it tries will never be the same as breastmilk and our bodies are not made to take it in therefor it leaves on several levels deffensless against illness with which we could fight off if we had the antibodies in breastmilk.</p>
<p>Second i am with you all my husband and i have choosen not to vaccinate we have done our research like most non vaccinating parents and we just don&#8217;t see why we would should or would expose our child to the very common side effects such as siezures  (which are often brought on by the common fever which most parents think is just a part of vaccinating when in reality means that they baby is trying to fight the vaccine instead of absorb and utilize it). i agree that some of the vaccinations do make sense and eventually my son will get vaccinated for some things but not with out much thought and a well developed immune system. in the meantime he will get breastmilk to keep him healthy.</p>
<p>and thirdly i want to reiterate what Tiffany said and that is that most nonvacinating parents are more educated than the vaccinating ones and i believe that is becuase the ones that choose to vaccinate are the ones who are just going along with society and doing as what everyone else is doing, its a lot harder to go against the grain and not vacinate and those parents have to be equipped with the knowledge in order to explain their side. So props to those of you who made an educated decision either way. whatever you choose be knowledgable about it. i am sure non of you picked your spose out of a hat or started a career without some knowledge of the job. and i am sure that non of you had a kid without some planning of their name, their room, their future, your birth, so why not do the research on their health to and make the best decision for your child.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12032</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiffany, I completely agree with you.  If people choose to vaccinate, then so be it.  I will NOT, however, be a part of a society that lets our government rule our decisions, especially when it comes to our health!  I just hope that this movement of non-vaccinating parents continues to grow.  I will do everything in my power to keep the government out of my health decisions, and beyond.  The government needs to fear us, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiffany, I completely agree with you.  If people choose to vaccinate, then so be it.  I will NOT, however, be a part of a society that lets our government rule our decisions, especially when it comes to our health!  I just hope that this movement of non-vaccinating parents continues to grow.  I will do everything in my power to keep the government out of my health decisions, and beyond.  The government needs to fear us, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12031</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi elley, i&#039;m a non-vaccinated mom of three non-vaccinated kids in california.  i always knew that i wouldn&#039;t vax, so when i interviewed my ped before my first child&#039;s birth, i told him.  he politely disagreed, but didn&#039;t push me.  now whenever i call to schedule an appt, i make sure to tell the person i speak to that there will be no vax.  they always hem and haw, but say ok.

we go to a chiropractor for regular care, but choose to see our ped for well-baby/child checkups because i want to have a relationship with a doctor in case the need ever arises.  it works well for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi elley, i&#8217;m a non-vaccinated mom of three non-vaccinated kids in california.  i always knew that i wouldn&#8217;t vax, so when i interviewed my ped before my first child&#8217;s birth, i told him.  he politely disagreed, but didn&#8217;t push me.  now whenever i call to schedule an appt, i make sure to tell the person i speak to that there will be no vax.  they always hem and haw, but say ok.</p>
<p>we go to a chiropractor for regular care, but choose to see our ped for well-baby/child checkups because i want to have a relationship with a doctor in case the need ever arises.  it works well for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12030</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 08:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t know the fear vaccinated people have. they believe in vaccination and are vacccinated (secure in their opinion), so where is the point? why are non-vaccinated people suche a threat to them?

do you know how many people would die from measles if non-vaccinated, and how many people die from vaccination? second you will never know, because the pharmas don&#039;t want you to know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t know the fear vaccinated people have. they believe in vaccination and are vacccinated (secure in their opinion), so where is the point? why are non-vaccinated people suche a threat to them?</p>
<p>do you know how many people would die from measles if non-vaccinated, and how many people die from vaccination? second you will never know, because the pharmas don&#8217;t want you to know!</p>
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		<title>By: kaomt</title>
		<link>http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/05/14/the-anger-toward-the-anti-vaccine-movement/#comment-12029</link>
		<dc:creator>kaomt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 06:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the UK, when MMR was introduced there was a backlash against childhood inoculation. Some parents and schools asked the Dr or practice concerned to sign a form guarenteeing that the child will suffer no side effects from the vaccine and if he/she does the Dr/practise would take full responsibility. It is simple and suprisingly effective. Sadly there is no evidence that inoculation actually work, it would be impossible to judge as the present level of hygiene and sanitation have improved a hundred fold. &quot;The dangers of childhood disease is grossly exaggerated in order to ensure mass compliance&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK, when MMR was introduced there was a backlash against childhood inoculation. Some parents and schools asked the Dr or practice concerned to sign a form guarenteeing that the child will suffer no side effects from the vaccine and if he/she does the Dr/practise would take full responsibility. It is simple and suprisingly effective. Sadly there is no evidence that inoculation actually work, it would be impossible to judge as the present level of hygiene and sanitation have improved a hundred fold. &#8220;The dangers of childhood disease is grossly exaggerated in order to ensure mass compliance&#8221;</p>
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