Comments on: Devil in the Milk http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/ Green and Natural Parenting Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:23:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Marilyn http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12421 Marilyn Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:55:21 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12421 The book does address it, Organic or not does not matter. The cows that the milk comes from are what matters! The most maddening thing is that American farms could turn over their herds (as they have in New Zealand and Australia) to be all A2 but it would hurt the bottom line too much! The book does address it, Organic or not does not matter. The cows that the milk comes from are what matters! The most maddening thing is that American farms could turn over their herds (as they have in New Zealand and Australia) to be all A2 but it would hurt the bottom line too much!

]]> By: Tiffany http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12420 Tiffany Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:29:05 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12420 Susan, a leaky gut is when food particles pass through the intesinal membranes into the blood. This happens when you have a bad immune system and many believe it may be the cause of food allergies... and other health problems. Susan, a leaky gut is when food particles pass through the intesinal membranes into the blood. This happens when you have a bad immune system and many believe it may be the cause of food allergies… and other health problems.

]]> By: Susan http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12419 Susan Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:18:03 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12419 Great article. Question: What is a "leaky gut"? Great article. Question: What is a “leaky gut”?

]]> By: Katie http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12418 Katie Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:47:53 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12418 hmm that's interesting. i wonder what the other diet differences were between the two places. i drink organic, local unhomogenized (it is pasteurized) milk occasionally and use it in cooking. my son won't drink milk (2.5) and my dh drinks about a gallon a week. i think i will stick with the real thing for now as we are anti-soy and don't love all of the added ingredients in almond. i will definitely have my dh cut back though as diabetes runs in his family! hmm that’s interesting. i wonder what the other diet differences were between the two places. i drink organic, local unhomogenized (it is pasteurized) milk occasionally and use it in cooking. my son won’t drink milk (2.5) and my dh drinks about a gallon a week. i think i will stick with the real thing for now as we are anti-soy and don’t love all of the added ingredients in almond. i will definitely have my dh cut back though as diabetes runs in his family!

]]> By: Mark http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12417 Mark Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:38:32 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12417 Thanks for the info! My wife and our two young children drink mainly soy milk, but the key is, we get a soy milk powder, use much less than it says to, and add a little honey. It tastes great in cereal, but it's really mostly lightly-sweetened water. We only buy cereals with very low sugar. My wife adds a little Silk Soy to hers to get some carageenan to make hers a little thicker. (I don't like Silk because the consistancy is TOO slick for me. As for cow's milk, the kids do have the organic from time to time, and the kids eat yogurt. I think it is a good source of calcium and I do not want the kids to lose their milk tolerance, which can happen if you do not give it to them for a couple weeks. As for whole or raw milk, the fat content is just too much. I'd think a gut would cancel out any health benefits you get from being more "natural" by consuming raw. An adult eating lots of leafy greens needn't drink milk, anyways. I only have it in my coffee. Thanks again! Thanks for the info!
My wife and our two young children drink mainly soy milk, but the key is, we get a soy milk powder, use much less than it says to, and add a little honey. It tastes great in cereal, but it’s really mostly lightly-sweetened water. We only buy cereals with very low sugar.
My wife adds a little Silk Soy to hers to get some carageenan to make hers a little thicker. (I don’t like Silk because the consistancy is TOO slick for me.
As for cow’s milk, the kids do have the organic from time to time, and the kids eat yogurt. I think it is a good source of calcium and I do not want the kids to lose their milk tolerance, which can happen if you do not give it to them for a couple weeks.
As for whole or raw milk, the fat content is just too much. I’d think a gut would cancel out any health benefits you get from being more “natural” by consuming raw.
An adult eating lots of leafy greens needn’t drink milk, anyways. I only have it in my coffee.
Thanks again!

]]> By: skye http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12416 skye Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:57:43 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12416 hi Tiffany, thanks for such important information! we're moving back to asia next year and i am wondering about the cows in that region (china and russia, esp)--do you know where i could look for more information on that? i really enjoy your blog! :) hi Tiffany,
thanks for such important information! we’re moving back to asia next year and i am wondering about the cows in that region (china and russia, esp)–do you know where i could look for more information on that?

i really enjoy your blog! :)

]]> By: Melissa http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12415 Melissa Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:15:17 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12415 We live in the Netherlands because we are stationed here with the military. I have heard of many people coming over here from the states, formerly with lactose intolerance, and here they find they can handle the milk and cheese just fine. I know you state in the article that the A1 is in the western cow, but I wonder where the cows here stand. Or what the difference might be, if not the A1 A2 strain issue. Hormones? Antibiotics? We live in the Netherlands because we are stationed here with the military. I have heard of many people coming over here from the states, formerly with lactose intolerance, and here they find they can handle the milk and cheese just fine. I know you state in the article that the A1 is in the western cow, but I wonder where the cows here stand. Or what the difference might be, if not the A1 A2 strain issue. Hormones? Antibiotics?

]]> By: Justine Ward http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12414 Justine Ward Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:06:01 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12414 Hi Tiffany, here is some further reading, an excerpt from the Weston A Price Website in reference to your Nourishing Traditions comment :http://www.ftcldf.org/news/news-01apr2009-3.htm... Personally I would avoid feeding babies (or anyone!) Almond Milk: Purified water, evaporated cane juice, almonds, tricalcium phosphate, natural vanilla flavor and other natural flavors, sea salt, potassium citrate, carrageenan, soy lecithin, d-alpha tocopherol (natural vitamin E), vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D2 same goes with Soy, or Rice Milk . for similar reasons. I'll stick with the real stuff ;) Properly treated and produced Raw whole Milk, it's been keeping us healthy for a long time ;) Hi Tiffany, here is some further reading, an excerpt from the Weston A Price Website in reference to your Nourishing Traditions comment :http://www.ftcldf.org/news/news-01apr2009-3.htm...

Personally I would avoid feeding babies (or anyone!) Almond Milk: Purified water, evaporated cane juice, almonds, tricalcium phosphate, natural vanilla flavor and other natural flavors, sea salt, potassium citrate, carrageenan, soy lecithin, d-alpha tocopherol (natural vitamin E), vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D2

same goes with Soy, or Rice Milk . for similar reasons. I’ll stick with the real stuff ;) Properly treated and produced Raw whole Milk, it’s been keeping us healthy for a long time ;)

]]> By: Bridget http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12413 Bridget Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:04:21 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12413 Hi Tiffany~ I'm fairly new to your site & don't think I've commented yet...but I do enjoy it. : ) Thanks for sharing the info...very interesting. A year or so ago I spoke with our pediatrician about the link between vaccines & autism. My second little guy was about 1.5yrs old I guess. She had no problem letting me delay or spread out the vaccines & it did make me feel a little more comfortable. But I thought it interesting that she told me she was more concerned about the proteins in milk than she was the vaccines in relation to autism. I never researched it further. The whole topic was overwhelming at the time & so many times researching only leads to more confusion. It's frustrating. Anyway, I'm curious to read the book. It's makes me angry/sad when you hear health issues that are steered by politics. I think I heard every 20 min a child is diagnosed with autism. Craziness. Take care, Bridget Hi Tiffany~ I’m fairly new to your site & don’t think I’ve commented yet…but I do enjoy it. : ) Thanks for sharing the info…very interesting. A year or so ago I spoke with our pediatrician about the link between vaccines & autism. My second little guy was about 1.5yrs old I guess. She had no problem letting me delay or spread out the vaccines & it did make me feel a little more comfortable. But I thought it interesting that she told me she was more concerned about the proteins in milk than she was the vaccines in relation to autism. I never researched it further. The whole topic was overwhelming at the time & so many times researching only leads to more confusion. It’s frustrating. Anyway, I’m curious to read the book. It’s makes me angry/sad when you hear health issues that are steered by politics. I think I heard every 20 min a child is diagnosed with autism. Craziness.

Take care,
Bridget

]]> By: Kim http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12412 Kim Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:58:21 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12412 My 2 yr old prefers Rice milk and I was trying to avoid cows milk. My husband, a pharmacist and skeptic to my all natural, tree hugging nature, asked about the sugar level. Rice milk is high in sugar. So be sure to watch the sugar levels on the various milks. Apparently, Almond milk has among the lowest. We hate soy, so I dont know. There's controversary about soy too. My 2 yr old prefers Rice milk and I was trying to avoid cows milk. My husband, a pharmacist and skeptic to my all natural, tree hugging nature, asked about the sugar level. Rice milk is high in sugar. So be sure to watch the sugar levels on the various milks. Apparently, Almond milk has among the lowest. We hate soy, so I dont know. There’s controversary about soy too.

]]> By: Missy http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12411 Missy Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:09:34 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12411 Thanks for the info! It got me scrambling b/c we drink raw milk from Jersey cows. Here are a few sites with information I thought was interesting to read, which have given me more to think about--wanted to pass on. http://www.betacasein.org/index.php/pi_pageid/95 http://www.guernsey.net/~wgcf/PageMill_Resources/A2%20%20A%20DILEMMA.pdf Thanks for the info! It got me scrambling b/c we drink raw milk from Jersey cows. Here are a few sites with information I thought was interesting to read, which have given me more to think about–wanted to pass on.

http://www.betacasein.org/index.php/pi_pageid/95

http://www.guernsey.net/~wgcf/PageMill_Resources/A2%20%20A%20DILEMMA.pdf

]]> By: Genevieve http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12410 Genevieve Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:40:56 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12410 Thanks for posting this article! I've heard about this from Dr. Tom Cowan from Fourfold Healing. For those that enjoy raw dairy (which is highly recommended for digestion), you can still do goat and sheep which doesn't have this problem. I think I also read that it reduces the "devil" by fermenting the cow's milk into kefir or yogurt. The more awareness about this, the more chance farmers will get cows that don't produce this harmful element. Cheers, Genevieve http://finallyhealing.com Thanks for posting this article! I’ve heard about this from Dr. Tom Cowan from Fourfold Healing.

For those that enjoy raw dairy (which is highly recommended for digestion), you can still do goat and sheep which doesn’t have this problem. I think I also read that it reduces the “devil” by fermenting the cow’s milk into kefir or yogurt.

The more awareness about this, the more chance farmers will get cows that don’t produce this harmful element.

Cheers,

Genevieve
http://finallyhealing.com

]]> By: Lizzie http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12409 Lizzie Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:19:06 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12409 wow, that is amazing. thank you for that information. i read an article awhile back about humans being the only animal that drank other animals milk (well, cat's do but we give it to them!) and how most animal only consume milk as babies. we are NOT the norm in the animal kingdom. i wonder if that has anything to do with this diabetes and other stuff going on?? thanks for this post, something to think about! wow, that is amazing. thank you for that information. i read an article awhile back about humans being the only animal that drank other animals milk (well, cat’s do but we give it to them!) and how most animal only consume milk as babies. we are NOT the norm in the animal kingdom. i wonder if that has anything to do with this diabetes and other stuff going on?? thanks for this post, something to think about!

]]> By: Cheri D http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12408 Cheri D Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:43:12 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12408 Tiffany, thanks for the response. That was what I was afraid of. Time to try an alternative. Thanks again for this very helpful information! Tiffany, thanks for the response. That was what I was afraid of. Time to try an alternative.

Thanks again for this very helpful information!

]]> By: Tiffany http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12407 Tiffany Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:07:18 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12407 Cheri, organic is no help in this situation. It is the cows in the US and western world that have this A1 mutation and it would have to be bred out of them over a period of years to get rid of it. If you drink organic it will still have A1 caseins. Cheri, organic is no help in this situation. It is the cows in the US and western world that have this A1 mutation and it would have to be bred out of them over a period of years to get rid of it. If you drink organic it will still have A1 caseins.

]]> By: Cheri D http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12406 Cheri D Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:57:27 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12406 Thank you for this information. I don't drink milk but my husband and 4 year old son do. I always buy Organic Milk but I am wondering if that matters in this case?? Did the book mention that Organic Milk in the U.S. also contains A1? I really appreciate learning about this kind of information. Thank you for this information. I don’t drink milk but my husband and 4 year old son do. I always buy Organic Milk but I am wondering if that matters in this case??

Did the book mention that Organic Milk in the U.S. also contains A1?

I really appreciate learning about this kind of information.

]]> By: Bev http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12405 Bev Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:34:32 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12405 ahh yes-we had this very discussion the other night with our homeschool group. If you google "pus in milk" you will also be shocked at the outcome. Drink organic. bev ahh yes-we had this very discussion the other night with our homeschool group. If you google “pus in milk” you will also be shocked at the outcome. Drink organic.
bev

]]> By: Green Fundraising Ideas http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12404 Green Fundraising Ideas Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:05:08 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12404 Hmm..interesting. I guess there is a book for everything! Thanks fro summarizing. We mostly drink Soy milk, but do still take some whole milk in around our house. Hmm..interesting. I guess there is a book for everything! Thanks fro summarizing. We mostly drink Soy milk, but do still take some whole milk in around our house.

]]> By: hanna http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12403 hanna Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:27:12 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12403 Thanks so much for this post. We have been dairy free for a while but recently I was beginning to wonder whether it was the right move after reading some of the nourishing traditions info and people following it who drink raw milk etc. This just made me feel ok to carry on finding alternatives. Thanks Thanks so much for this post. We have been dairy free for a while but recently I was beginning to wonder whether it was the right move after reading some of the nourishing traditions info and people following it who drink raw milk etc. This just made me feel ok to carry on finding alternatives. Thanks

]]> By: PureMothers http://naturemoms.com/blog/2009/06/06/devil-in-the-milk/#comment-12402 PureMothers Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:41:22 +0000 http://www.naturemoms.com/blog/?p=2922#comment-12402 Wow! Very interesting. Thanks for reading and summarizing for us. I am so glad I am transitioning my toddler to rice milk and oat milk instead of cow's milk! We don't drink milk in our home, but we do use some for cooking and cream for homemade whipped cream on occasion. I'm going to tweet this post! Everyone should know about this! Wow! Very interesting. Thanks for reading and summarizing for us. I am so glad I am transitioning my toddler to rice milk and oat milk instead of cow’s milk! We don’t drink milk in our home, but we do use some for cooking and cream for homemade whipped cream on occasion.

I’m going to tweet this post! Everyone should know about this!

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