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Oct

Buckeyes Against Issue 2

by Tiffany in Political Action

Pig Farming 

This post is for my fellow Buckeyes (Ohio). No matter what side of the isle you are on… liberal or conservative I would hope that anyone who cares about the ethics and safety of food in Ohio will vote NO on Issue 2 come November.

This issue is no doubt being presented to us out of fear. Agribusiness in Ohio fears that one day they will be faced with legislation like what just went through California with Prop 2. Basically those dastardly Californians actually decided that livestock should have to be raised humanely. 

Ohio factory farmers want to head this type of legislation off by giving themselves a position of power NOW. By voting yes on Issue 2 in Ohio we will give agri-business representatives and their appointees the ability to create an agricultural board with unchecked power over livestock rules and regulations. Their power would be locked in by the constitution and never again would they have to worry about the people choosing for themselves how they want their food to be raised. It is a power grab. This issue will help ensure that they hold all the cards from now on.

If in the future the citizens of Ohio determine that some widely accepted agricultural practice is inhumane or unsafe for food production, we will have no recourse to fight it. Agribusiness will simply bring it to the board composed of all their own people, decide in their own favor,  and keep doing business as usual. There would be no plublic input, no forum for public comments, and no appeal. Their decision is FINAL.

Not only is it likely this board will be used to support unethical and inhumane production methods it could also be used to make it harder for small family farmers to operate, essentially allowing BIG agribusiness to weed them out.

Why should you care? Well, since we all eat food… and many of us try to eat lots of local food… I think we should have a say in the ethics and safety of our food production. We also have a right to choose our own food sources and we don’t want factory farms putting the little guys out of business and limiting our options. Even vegans will want to make sure that factory farms aren’t making their own rules for the humane treatment of animals. In short, factory farms and big agribusiness have no right to hijack our state constitution. If you are in Ohio vote NO on Issue 2!!

Wednesday, October 7th, 2009

18 Comments

  • http://andiscandis.blogspot.com andiscandis

    The Sierra Club, the League of Women Voters and the Humane Society all OPPOSE Issue 2.

    The Humane Society’s website has a very good explanation:

    http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/ballot_initiatives/ohio_issue_2.html

  • Happy Hog Farmer

    Actually, this bill is to help family farmers, such as my family. We are small hogs farmers and if this doesn’t pass and my family cannot afford to remodel all of our animal housing to meet demands of extremist such as HSUS. The housing we have is based on science and years of research.

    When way the last time you raised a pig, cow or chicken? How do you know what’s best for the animal? We take our job of feeding of the world very seriously. I’d like to think that working morning until night with the animals, attending educational seminars, getting certification and being regulated by the government makes us qualified to know what’s best for the animals.

    By the way, HSUS is in no way related to your local Humane Society. Vote YES on Issue 2 to keep my family’s farm in business.

    • http://www.naturemoms.com Tiffany

      Hog Farmer,

      Do you have a true independent farm are do you subcontract to one of the larger pork producers? If you are independent how do you know this board won’t adopt such measures anyway with an “exception” clause for large factory farms? If you truly are independent then you should know that factory farms don’t want you in their sandbox. If you believe they will ONLY use this board to ward off humane groups you need to wake up.

      HSUS is not an extremeist group. What they are asking is for farmers to allow their animals to be able to move, spread their wings, and not be confined in cruel and dirty conditions. It would be illegal to keep a dog in most of the conditions we find our livestock in but yet somehow because one is a pet and the other is food you can rationalize it. Sorry but no thanks. Cruel is cruel.

    • http://andiscandis.blogspot.com andiscandis

      “I’d like to think that working morning until night with the animals, attending educational seminars, getting certification and being regulated by the government makes us qualified to know what’s best for the animals.”

      Yes, but Issue 2 is a constitutional amendment wherein board members are APPOINTED versus elected. So there is no guarantee that what you know to be best will be represented. YOU don’t get to choose your representatives (i.e.: you have no voice) and if it all goes horribly awry you’re stuck with it because it’s in the constitution.

  • Jodi

    I wish I lived in OH so I could vote against it.

  • Kate

    Happy Hog Farmer,
    You don’t need certifications and regulations to know that it is not best for animals to be treated the way they are on most factory farms….You just need a heart.
    We are mass-producing animals in this country as a product. They are no longer lives – just dollar signs. How can we be happy seeing how much devastation goes on with factory farming – to the animals, to the environment, to the farm workers?
    I respect your situation and understand your need to feed your family. Nobody else is in your shoes and has the obligations that you have and feels the pressures that you do. I pray that there is a better way for everyone involved.
    Remember when we were kids and played farm? The animals were happy and roamed freely and lived out a good life. That’s not the picture of today’s farm anymore. Have we really grown callous to the fact that these are lives we are dealing with? Don’t these animals deserve to have a life, just as much as we do? What constitutes a ‘good life’ to you? Would you be happy as one of the pigs on a factory farm? Really? And what about the environmental destruction from the waste produced on these factory farms?
    Aren’t most of us saddened at the state that our food production has been reduced to in the U.S.? Let’s be informed, get educated and try to make a difference without letting dollar signs make every decision for us.

    • Shelly H

      Kate, very well said!!
      I was so happy with California’s law.
      Happy Hog Farmer, if all farms truly did what was best for the animal, there wouldn’t need to be laws and such governing.
      Tiffany, yeah you for bringing this up!! Here’s hoping Ohio follows California!!

      • dOSUp

        Don’t single out farmers here. Lets make this more general because its a societal problem, not a “farmer” problem. If the human species did what was best for all animals, including themselves, there wouldnt be need for any laws or governing. But we all know that theft and murder happen among humans, and we dont associate ourselves as good citizens with those kinds of practices. Therefore a farmer who practices good ethics and welfare shouldnt be associated with those who dont.

    • dOSUp

      The waste production issue is particularly ironic considering farmers only produce as much product as there is demand for that product or else the almighty dollar that rules our day to day life would not allow them to raise a surplus of animals. The amount of waste is a direct reflection of the exponential rise of human population in the world. Once again, dont blame large farms for problems created by society. How many children do you have? I could say its your fault for contributing to the rise in population, but I wont because thats unfair to do. My next question for you is to define ‘happy’ for an animal, really. How happy were those pigs when you were playing farm and they were outside being bitten by flies, mosquitoes and being sunburned. And how about when they were all inside during the winter so they dont die from extreme conditions and fighting amongst eachother, ripping tails and ears off, because pigs are NATURALLY an animal of hierarchy within their groups and they fight for dominance especially when shut up in a barn all winter long. Bigger barns you say? Who is going to pay for 2 million dollars worth of barns to be built on each farm for more space? The farmer pays, the increase in price is reflected in the price at the grocery store, the pigs are happy, the farmer is still inbusiness, but now you’re pissed because prices are twice what they were last year. Do you see the cyclic nature of this yet? If this werent largely about money, If our world werent largely about money, there wouldnt be human suffering, much less animal suffering. But there IS both human and animal suffering, much of which is largely, if not ALL about money, and the solutions to those problems are about money too. The state of US food production is one of the best in the world. You can order a salad and a medium rare steak and not have to worry about salmonella and bovine spongiform encephalopathy with every bite you take. US and canada have the safest food production systems in the world. If anyone doubts it, research it. Beware, being INformed and being MISinformed both have the same route word.

      • Kate

        dOSUp,
        I have been blessed with 3 children and my entire family probably produces less waste than most 2 person families in the U.S. We do not contribute to the meat production waste at all since we are vegan. We compost and we use our purchasing power to buy things with as little impact as possible on the planet. Waste may be rising directly with the population, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way….there are choices being made here. You can argue both sides of almost every story. Your assumption that I am MISinformed and emotional, is just that….an ASSumption.

  • http://www.avma.org/issues/default.asp dOSUp

    Happy Hog Farmer, I sympathize with you because I know how you are trying to make your living and what youre dealing with on a day to day basis. I really am on the fence with this issue. Many of the people leaving comments here are assuming the worst that can arise from the passing of this issue, which isnt wrong because anything in the hands of the government will somehow be manipulated. However, I think the idea behind this advisory board is one that needs to be encouraged. Ohio is trying to be impartial and make sure that the consumer, the farmer (small and large), the food safety experts, and the animal health and welfare experts all have equal say in how food animals are being raised and cared for. I do worry about making this part of the constitution and wonder if this could be the proverbial “path to hell being paved with good intention”. But then again, as an agricultural economy based state, I think we need to do something to protect not only the farmers, but the consumers from changes that will be detrimental to either group. What happened in California with prop 2 is the exact opposite of what most of you fear Issue 2 is going to do in Ohio. Prop 2 cut the feet out from farmers, veterinarians, animal welfare experts, and even the consumer. Prices for local food in california are going to climb even higher than they are now due to the changes and the same people who voted for it are going to pay for it as well. I think there is a happy medium between Prop 2 and Issue 2 that needs to be found. The past 100 years have seen the consumer drift further and further from where and how their food is made and processed. The consumer is now wanting to be more informed, which is a good thing, but also has trouble spanning the gap which has been created. Anthropomorphism is a dangerous thing for animal welfare when people begin to equate their pet dog to a chicken destined for food consumption. Not only are dogs and chickens non-human beings, but by giving them human-like qualities and thought capabilities, we are losing the very things that supposedly make us the most intelligent and evolved species. So as humans, I think it is our goal and our responsibility to use not just heart and emotion, nor only fact and logic, but the sophisticated ability which only we posess to combine both in order to make effective and beneficial decisions.
    *side note, please do not confuse the humane society of the united states (hsus) with your local humane society chapters. They are two very separate organizations and the HSUS kind of capitalized on the good-samaritan reputation of the local humane societies’ namesake. The HSUS isnt extremist but they certainly are guilty of being a very emotionally-driven group that often is lacking in scientific basis, logic or rationale. Making emotional decisions based on emotion and feelings is easy; making emotional decisions based on feelings AND logic/reason requires you to question yourself, not just others, and many people are not comfortable with that.

    • Kate

      How are we “losing the very things that supposedly make us the most intelligent and evolved species” by giving animals human-like qualities? It’s scientifically proven that many of them do share human-like qualities, after all, we share a very large percentage of our DNA with apes. They have many of the same characteristics that we do. This doesn’t mean they are human and it certainly doesn’t mean we are not.

      • http://www.naturemoms.com Tiffany

        I agree Kate. An animal can feel pain and discomfort. Perhaps they do not know an alternative life to make grand comparisons with but why on earth would that make it acceptable for us to cause a sentient being’s only life to be filled with pain and discomfort? Are we REALLY a higher species if that is how we treat the lesser species? We don’t need meat to live and that is fact, so if we are going to ELECT to eat meat then the very least we can do is try to make it a humane process. That doesn’t make us less human.. it just makes us compassionate. Those who can rationalize suffering without letting themselves feel that natural emotion and guilt are called barbarians. That emotion and that guilt is important.. it lets us know that we are doing wrong and that is very human.

      • dOSUp

        Yes, animals can feel pain and discomfort and we also share DNA sequences with the phylum porifera which are sea sponges. I am neither suggesting nor advocating that animals be mistreated or raised inhumanely to the point where they should be constantly in pain or discomfort. I’m suggesting that what we consider “humane” based on human standards and what we consider humane for animal standards cannot be equated. If thats the case, we might as well give animals the ability to drive cars, pass medical board tests and have public education. Humans and sub-human animals are not equal evolutionarily, physiologically, or anatomically and on those bases you must re-evaluate what it is that constitutes an anial with ‘good welfare’. Some people think pigs are happiest when out in a pig-sty where they can roll in mud, when in all actuality pigs are rather clean animals and only rolled in the mud to keep the biting insects and sun off of them. We cannot classify “animal welfare” as one single entity because each species of animal has its own needs and niche in which it is most comfortable. Its not enough to say “We shouldnt mistreat animals and they should be able to have happy lives”. That is ridiculously obvious, but it provides nothing of a basis, nor a solution. Now you can get into the Kantian vs Utilitarian morality of everything but that argument hasnt been solved for the past few centuries, probably wont be solved anytime soon. The solution to welfare problems is no less complicated than any issue currently in the world, healthcare, warfare, religion. Thinking compassionately is surely something that needs to be encouraged and I think a lack of compassion is definitely what leads to the worst conditions seen in livestock production. Animal compassion and advocacy is also the reason that I, my 139 classmates and the thousands of other students, professors, and clinicians are in the field that we have chosen. Compassion is what got us into the field, but the ability to use scientific knowledge to support our cause is power that speaks to polticians, CEO’s, and other professionals.
        Yes, we can survive without meat but lets take a look at how mother nature, evolution, has dealt with this. The animals that are strictly plant eaters all have novel adaptations to digest plant starches and fiber. Ruminants use a rumen and microbes, hindgut fermenters use a cecum, and they all have teeth or other dental traits consistent with crushing and grinding grasses and grains. Humans have canine teeth, and dentition very indicative and similar to any other omnivorous species, we have a simple glandular stomach and relatively short series of intestines and a distinct inability to break down plant fibers. The closest thing to being “plant eaters” is our appendix which unless you want to challenge modern medicine, is a vestigial pouch that serves as a great source of infection. Our closest DNA link, the chimpanzee, is also an omnivore, and they are not eating based on convenience or mindfulness of resource. They are eating for survival and fitness, and they do eat meat. Consequently they also eat eachother, which makes you see that the whole 2% difference in DNA is actually a pretty substantial difference. So yes, as humans we might choose to eat meat, but just asmuch, a vegan chooses to only eat non animal products. Both of us could survive only eating our chosen product, but neither of us would truly be healthy and fit because our bodies are designed to eat both, together. FYI, taking vitamin and supplements does not count as part of a vegetarian/vegan diet. You can defend your position from a purely emotional standpoint and believe me, I am am not rationalizing or hiding guilt or hardening my soul, because I see and feel the same emotions. But when you speak and act on emotion alone, THAT is when you are failing to use the higher power that is unique to humans. Animals can be humane to lesser species, watch a gorilla play with an insect; and they can also act out of pure emotion and instinct, like a chimp killing another member of their species and then consuming it. However, they lack the ability to decide that the very insect they are playing with harbors an infectious pathogen that could wipe out their entire species or that when they kill the other member of their species they are actually removing a member of a very small and dwindling population. That is why WE must think and act with not only our most primal emotions such as hate, love, and compassion, but with the parts and pathways with which only the human brain posesses.

  • http://www.naturemoms.com Tiffany

    dOSUp,

    You have some replies that take a REALLY long time to get a across a point that is pretty much common sense. Yes, animals should be cared for according to breed, yes we should get the opinion of experts in the field. No offense but you sound like you are writing a long winded dissertation that in some ways applies to this discussion but not very much.

    Also for the record, chimps eat only 5% meat and insects. In general our closest relatives eat greens and fruit with a teeny amount of insects and the occasional rodent. Rarely do they cannibalize each other… so little in fact that it is like saying humans are canibals too. Yes, in some rare instances we have a cannibal example to look to but in general we don’t each other and neither do chimps. So the aminal that we share 98% of our DNA with is primarly a vegetarian. They make a case for humans to eat that way too…

    Also most vegans only suppliment with B12 and that wouldn’t even be required if we foraged for food and ate wild foods instead of processed, cleaned, and cooked foods. I know many healthy raw vegans who don’t suppliment at all.

    The thing to remember here is that we are the consumers.. WE have a right to choose how our food is raised and to make sure it is raised humanely and with ethics. Setting up a board that takes that power away from us is a bad idea.

  • Nicole

    Great article, I vote NO!!!!

  • http://goggle Fluff

    Hog farmer,

  • http://goggle Fluff

    I agree with you.VOTE YES ON ISSUE 2!!!!!